Alone in the Wild

[LDS]

Looks like the poor guy gave up before he got started well. I guess it looks easier to them that have not done it. Most think that if you have a gun and fishing gear the food is going to jump into your plate.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/s ... TopStories

What I wonder is why National Gergraphic sends these untrained guys out. During the '50s and 60s NG grews could write the book on survival anywhere in the world. For the last decade they have been concentrating on "social improvement projects" rather than geographic study. Their contributers have lost their edge sitting in from of a computer and booking NG projects based on the presence of a Mariot Inn.

[Bernoulli]

He climbed Mt. Everest (catered and cared for) and National Geographic thought he could do it on his own. Ridiculous!

My hat's off to him though for eating porcupine liver. It's terrible. The only think I've eaten that's as bad is tree anteater.

[LDS]

I never ate a porkipine, much less its liver. I have heard they have a heavy pine sap taste due to their prefered diet.

I have also stayed away from tree anteater. Closest thing i had to that was an armidillo, which I ate on a dare. Even that is not as bad as the turtle I ate. Nothing worse than an old turtle. One key to life in the wild is the hot sauce. They put those little bottles of tobasco sauce in the MRE packs for a reason.

[coon4492]

The link was a story about a terrorist in canada when i clicked it

[dixieangler]

I got the story when I clicked on the link, Joe. Title: British filmmaker rescued from Yukon wilderness

Don't know why you can't get it.

I guess it looks easier to them that have not done it.

That's for sure. Nothing easy about survival, primitive skills, or any of it. Anybody saying it is easy, I have to believe that they don't know what they are talking about and have never done it. I can't believe the guy never had any primitive skills, training, or knowledge. It is super tough to go out and do primitive wilderness living even with such background experience and even then the results might be the same or worse. But even such qualifications (while needed) will not ensure success as some of those in the article might think.

But some have charged the series with exploitation, suggesting that someone without survival training should never have been allowed to attempt such a feat in the name of entertainment. "This is a pretty foolish enterprise," John Beyer, director of Britain's Media Watch, told the Daily Mail. "If Channel 4 are going to send people on this kind of expedition, they really must make sure they are up to it and have the skills necessary to survive."

[coon4492]

Nothing easy about survival, primitive skills, or any of it. Anybody saying it is easy, I have to believe that they don't know what they are talking about and have never done it.

lol that guy smyle on the prairie wolf forum had the nerve to tell you how easy primitive skills are. That guy came off sort of like a pothead end of the world conspiracy theorist type. His advice he gave me made no sense he even argued with john mcphereson.

[dixieangler]

lol that guy smyle on the prairie wolf forum had the nerve to tell you how easy primitive skills are. That guy came off sort of like a pothead end of the world conspiracy theorist type. His advice he gave me made no sense he even argued with john mcphereson.

First in his post "Superior staple of life", he didn't like me saying that there are other kinds of Hemp like Indian Hemp (Apocynum cannabinum) besides Marijuana, also known as Cannabis. That obviously set him against me from the beginning just because I stated a fact.

It was after I came in to back up what John was saying because he was arguing with John,

I have only spoken from experience - what we have done ourselves. Nothing about what I have read or heard unless I stipulate otherwise. The perpetuation of myths from generation to generation is ongoing because too many “experts” gather their information from the writings of others who have only gained their expertise from reading the writings of other similarly trained experts. If I say something is the result from what I have done, well, you better believe it was from “my” experience - not something that I read or heard (unless I stipulate such). Subtracting about 5-7 years at the beginning this leaves me with 58+ years (way too many for this mind) of experience in one way or the other of outdoor experience.

that he went after me, saying

Dixie your statement belies your knowledge (Florida is packed with flint/chert). You talk about experience like we're working with a computer. This is nature and it's easier than you're making it out to be.

nature was easy and that Florida was full of flint. That was what I meant by, "I rest my case." The guy stuck his foot in his mouth and didn't even know it but everybody else did.

[LDS]

We must remember that such people have often never been to Florida, or the Yukon, their normal habitat being the Manhatten coctail pary circuit and Barnes and Nobles book sigining tours.

Early in the "survival movement" history there was a famous writter named Mel Tappin. He wrote well and made a good presentation. He obviously knew his stuff and became the guru of all things survival. He was an expert on all aspects: Stockpiling, defense tatics, firearms, communications, survival farming, hand tools and chainsaws! So much of what he wrote was so good that we took it for granted he had done it all and knew it all!

Mr Tappin was confined to a wheel chair for most of his adult life. Everything he wrote was hearsay or observation, not hands on experience.

One of the charicteristics of the computer is the short time between discovery of a topic of interest and expertise in that subject. I have seen people announce their introduction to woodsmanship, firearms, blackpowder shooting....or any other topic. They ask the normal beginner questions and follow that with a few experiments in the garage and within two or three weeks they are posting about their mass of information and experiences stalking the wild hamster, leading people into dangerous and unnecessary situations, or finding themselves alone in the Yukon, crying like babies, with no Pizza Hut delivery.

[coon4492]

We must remember that such people have often never been to Florida, or the Yukon, their normal habitat being the Manhatten coctail pary circuit and Barnes and Nobles book sigining tours.

Early in the "survival movement" history there was a famous writter named Mel Tappin. He wrote well and made a good presentation. He obviously knew his stuff and became the guru of all things survival. He was an expert on all aspects: Stockpiling, defense tatics, firearms, communications, survival farming, hand tools and chainsaws! So much of what he wrote was so good that we took it for granted he had done it all and knew it all!

Mr Tappin was confined to a wheel chair for most of his adult life. Everything he wrote was hearsay or observation, not hands on experience.

One of the charicteristics of the computer is the short time between discovery of a topic of interest and expertise in that subject. I have seen people announce their introduction to woodsmanship, firearms, blackpowder shooting....or any other topic. They ask the normal beginner questions and follow that with a few experiments in the garage and within two or three weeks they are posting about their mass of information and experiences stalking the wild hamster, leading people into dangerous and unnecessary situations, or finding themselves alone in the Yukon, crying like babies, with no Pizza Hut delivery.

well said LDS thus guy smyle should have read this. I've been on forums where people tell me that east coast states don't have wilderness areas and that survival there is easy the moment they say something that stupid I already can assume they have no real knowledge.

[Kingoftheflock]

lol that guy smyle on the prairie wolf forum had the nerve to tell you how easy primitive skills are. That guy came off sort of like a pothead end of the world conspiracy theorist type. His advice he gave me made no sense he even argued with john mcphereson.

ah, the crazy pothead. yea little bit of advice, dont ever try to start an arguement with a delusional pothead about marajauna, youll never win and youll never hear the end of it. it usually ends in them breaking from their drug trance and sporractically yelling and spitting everywhere. happened a few times with me.

[coon4492]

ever see one of them try and participate in a debate during a class. It's like trying to have a debate about Americas foregin policy with a five year old . On Constitution day one of my teachers asked what would be a good addition to the constitution and some stoner yells out legalizing pot. This kid sitting near me was trying to tell me a story but all I got out of it was "uhh lit up in the bath room duhhh went to new jersey stole a camel duuuhhh". To make this post related to the topic what if a pothead like the ones at school got into a situation like this it would probably be disasterous.

[Kingoftheflock]

hed probably spend the entire time trying to find magical gum drop fairy weed.

[coon4492]

I turned on the National Geographic channel and this alone in the wild show was on. It was actually hard to watch him fail so badly. He was trying to catch salmon with a spinning reel which looked like it would work except he was sitting on a rock dipping his line very close to shore. You could actually see the salmon jumping further out. I've fly fished for salmon and I've had better success than this guy he might have had a better chance if he could wade out futher in the water or if he used a raft or something. Later on he checked his rabbit traps and was shocked to find nothing in them it was most likely bad trap placement although I didn't see the traps since he held the camera to his face as he checked them. I'm not surprised he had to call it quits at all.

[vernsflintandsteel]

I had seen a reply from LDS (quote shown below) concerning the taste of a turtle in the wild. A guy I work with loves to cook and eat turtle soup.
So this story I am telling is just another side of it's taste according to the gentleman. I am told a turtle needs to be purged to get rid of the muddy taste for one to enjoy. In a life threatening situation there would be no time to purge a turtle because it takes several weeks. I was told they taste good if you soak the turtle in fresh water for a couple weeks while changing the water every day while alive of coarse. I would believe the turtle had a place to exit the water if it desired such as a rock. Maybe you have heard of this.

Anyways I was thinking of this post when I had heard how delicious the soup was and I only wanted to share.

[quote]I have also stayed away from tree anteater. Closest thing i had to that was an armidillo, which I ate on a dare. Even that is not as bad as the turtle I ate. Nothing worse than an old turtle. One key to life in the wild is the hot sauce. They put those little bottles of tobasco sauce in the MRE packs for a reason./quote]